Examining D0 Run I with

20/20 Hindsight

March 26, 1998, New Phenomena Workshop

Lee Lueking

Mission

Workshop Goal

Major Topics for Discussion


Enlightenment


Specific Issues

Thanks to Sarah,Wyatt,Doug, and Amber for their many comments.

Triggers and Backckgrounds

Discussion

Sarah Eno:Divide up bandwitdh by physics groupSome groups did not need all the trigger bandwidth they had, maybe like the top group, and they filled up the bandwidth with wierd triggers that they did not really need.

John: I remember

Wyatt:

Sarah: I don't know if this was such a good idea Lee.

Wyatt Merrit: I cannot imagine any system other than the spokesman making that system work

Dave :They asked for input and then

Wyatt: The final decision came from the spokes

John Hobbs: similar final states could share a trigger. the top group had slightly different w trigger than the electroweak group. You might imaginne trying to allocate di

Wyatt: I think toward the end there was some wheeling and dealing along those lines, but one thing that limited it was the unavailability of tools provided to determine the overlaps. it was recognized that a great deal of our triggers were used by other groups. I think the system worked fairly well but just needed better tools

let me just remind you , who could forget this (shows overhead of the trigger list) all of the bandwidths and allocations was that all of the bandwidths put into by the trigger board.

John: The other thing to remember is that there is the trigger meister who was crucial in this issue, and there was a three way between the physics groups the trigger meister, and trigger board. Various trigger meisters had a lot of influence That one person had a lot of pressure and also had a lot of influence depending whether they were your guy or the other guy. Having better tools would help a lot, better simulation tools so when they cam and said this is what the rate would be, they could accomplish that.

Gordon Watts:

John: I think that later on

Gordon: When you say later

JW: I think that something we really did screw up was that we didn't really know what to expect for a given trigger, so we started out with loose triggers and as teh luminosity increased we had to change the triggers. The trigger meister was always running around like a headless chicken saying "the rate is going up." "We have to change the triggers NOW!"

SE: I am sad that there was no W trigger in run 1C

In the monopole

JW:I have a comment on this low pt electron thing. There are other cases like that we only figured out after too longthat we were screwing up. We were taking data and

WM: Are you suggesting that this was a lag in Reco

Doug: The thresholds were up too high and we did not have certain resonances

Lee:

Gordon:

John: If I claim that I have a trigger that I claim is going to work for a certain channel, I'd like to look at the first 1000 events to see if it is woeking.

Gordon:

JW:The inability to figure out you are screwing up while you still have a chance of fixing it.

GW: That second one is a really thorney question, but isnt that first one

John: But look, maybe our histograms look like shit and you need to go off for 3 weeks and figure out what was wrong. The problem was that some triggers were not looked at for a year after they were taken.

Kaushik De:

Greg Landsberg:

John:

LL:Background samples. There were some samples which were missing background samples when we finished running. This is something we need to make a careful inventory for now. There is no better time to make a list.

Sarah

John: If your lazy like this

Harry: The other strategy is to take a number of background triggers and change one thing at a time

Wyatt

Greg: We have to accept very bad

John:

Greg: For every signal trigger we can come up with a background trigger.

John: This was another example of where we were not looking at the data until a year after the data was taken.

Trigger Simulation

Discussion

Lee:Trigger simulation seemed to ba a very difficult thing. This i

Sarah: I think it would be

Gordon: We don't want to run the trigger simulation for all the data, just on the MC

Sarah: Actually It might be a good idea to run the simulator on the data for each event.

John:

Marc:Thats an extrodenary inconveinence, that while I hope ... it is something that the simulator can deal with

John: made it hard to run offline as a trigger simulator for all events.

Harry: it is central to all analysis

Gordon: There was at one point an idea to have two kinds of trigger simulators

Lee: OK, could not make the trigger simulator run all the triggers simultaneously,

John: A feature not a bug

Lee:

Sarah: How many people are currently working on the trigger simulator

Lee: It is on the list: No one is currently assigned.

Marc:

John: The who question of ... is a horible one and ... Should not rely on the simulation to get everything right.

Event & Detector Simulation

Reco and reconstruction

Data Access, Cataloging and Managing

Analysis techniques

Computers

Sociology

Lee Lueking

Last modified: Mon Mar 23 13:45:42 CST 1998